tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3576716365575919550.post6700459173186946453..comments2023-10-03T18:30:42.773-05:00Comments on Meta Watershed: JOHNMaggie Jochildhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07577090500862823864noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3576716365575919550.post-58754711826903354852010-06-23T00:04:46.045-05:002010-06-23T00:04:46.045-05:00Depends on when and where the photo was made. If ...Depends on when and where the photo was made. If the older boy is around 10-12, the photo would have to have been taken in 1875 or later for him to have been born free. Unlikely because of their terrible condition -- this is how slaves were made to dress, and malnourishment is evident.<br /><br />John Peyton's stepsons or real sons were born into slavery, and as such took their mother's surname for family continuity and with a hope she'd be allowed to keep them. <br /><br />John of the deed could have had any number of children, but until 1865 they would all have been born into slavery. This is where Amrican slavery differed from almost all other forms of slavery, the absolute bondage of all children born to enslaved women, the perpetual slavery of an entire lineage. And Southern law after the 1840's made it increasingly difficult for a slaveowner to free his slaves -- he had to get permission from local government, which wanted to keep free blacks out of the community. Freedom usually meant exile and losing access to your family for the unknown future, maybe forever. American slavery was the evilest of evil.Maggie Jochildnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3576716365575919550.post-11020969511646476582010-06-22T23:37:36.159-05:002010-06-22T23:37:36.159-05:00One question. If the children in the photo were J...One question. If the children in the photo were John's, would they have been born free or born into slavery?Bluehttp://www.blueox.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3576716365575919550.post-42235100391181420922010-06-22T23:35:23.776-05:002010-06-22T23:35:23.776-05:00This is really amazing work, Maggie. I am enraptu...This is really amazing work, Maggie. I am enraptured by the detail you present here. You have brought the people of that era to life in a way I've never experienced before.Bluehttp://www.blueox.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3576716365575919550.post-43165656945162961412010-06-22T10:20:04.853-05:002010-06-22T10:20:04.853-05:00I can't wait to show this to my partner who ha...I can't wait to show this to my partner who has been avidly reading slave narratives and slave history books in the past 6 months! Wonderful work Maggie!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3576716365575919550.post-13075565961327564152010-06-21T15:33:31.403-05:002010-06-21T15:33:31.403-05:00Beautiful, terrible artifacts. What a fascinating...Beautiful, terrible artifacts. What a fascinating story. Whether or not true is virtually irrelevant since all will be true for some, somewhere.<br /><br />Thanks for this Maggie. It's a part of history we rarely come into contact with this side of the pond.Margothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09849813398967636905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3576716365575919550.post-55143376105542873572010-06-20T15:54:07.851-05:002010-06-20T15:54:07.851-05:00wow. you did a lot of work there. And so did your ...wow. you did a lot of work there. And so did your research helper(s).<br /><br />This reminds me of my own attempts to track down the family story of my ancestor David who "took to wife an Indian maiden whom he called Betsy" who was said to be my direct ancestor. I could prove for sure that Miram/Myrum, the son I descended from was not the child of the woman on record as marrying David, and that he probably fathered at least one child with someone after his wife of record died. In 1803 northern Vermont records were not usually kept in any form that survived. Or maybe there wasn't a legal marriage between Miram's parents.<br /><br />The recorded wife was Elizabeth-was the other always called Betsy or did he just call her by his dead wife's name? I'll never know.<br /><br />Miram was born around 1803-I know that much.. In the 1800 census there are no women over 15 in the family,and in 1830 Elizabeth would have been in her 50s. MY educated guess is that Elizabeth died before the 1800 census, and that David had a second wife.<br /><br />Your post was so rich in detail that some readers may have missed the conclusion-that neither of those child in the photo is the John in the sale record, but that there's a good chance they were sons of that John, and that one of them was also named John.little gatorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12359345204074482888noreply@blogger.com